Hi Shannon,
Commisserations on the bad news you've had this year. I for one can tell you that I have been both pleaseantly and unpleasantly surprised by many of the medical schools, and that you're not alone in being one of the many, many people who were not offered a place this year. From some of the letters and emails I've had from various universities, the number of people applying this year for medicine was staggering: for Leicester, as an example, nearly 3000 people applied for just 162 places. That's about 19 people to each place, which is quite ridiculous, but to be expected when the fee rise is taken into consideration. *Keele University emailed me to say they had roughly 5000 applicants for c300 places - with a 5% acceptance rate.
I've had much advice from various people in both applying to the various universities, being successful in getting interviews, and in some cases being rejected or getting in. There are certain key points that, whilst raised over, and over, and over again, are done so because they are so crucial in being considered for the course, as I have found.
> First, and most important, is to research your universities. Not insofar as learning more about them than the students themselves know of them, but in terms of what they want to see. UCL and Imperial like to see good references, evidence of great academic interest in the subject, a knowledge of the subject further than one would see from just learning the A-level course, and yet still has the practical experience that they can talk about.
On the other hand, Leicester love teamwork - if you apply with a personal statement oozing with team sports, activities, with a healthy dose of work experience and volunteering, then you'll stand out from the crowd. Bristol see Volunteering as essential, which is one of the reasons why I was rejected by them.
Overall, research the universities you want to go to in terms of what you will expect at an interview, and what they expect in a candidate. The best way to do this is to speak to students and admissions staff there, especially on the open days they run. The London universities need to be signed up to for the medicine open days far in advance, so ensure that that is the case, otherwise you may be disappointed. *I attended one open day last year - much to my disadvantage. Just today I visited Cardiff University and was able to view it in a completely different light to how it reads in the prospectus.
I would also recommend choosing a spread of university courses and universities, so that you have a wide range of different expectations from the universities. That's not to say you need to cram even more into an already bulging and bloated personal statement - instead, it means that you are showing off various aspects of yourself to different viewpoints, and there's a greater chance that one of them will be attracted by what they see so far as to get your interview place. *To me, this meant applying to Unis which place different significance on the various aspects of the application - how much weight is given to UKCAT/BMAT, GCSE's, statement etc
> Secondly, make sure you get in the essential things that are needed in your personal statement, and make them stand out. I did no volunteering, bar a brief mention of applying for St John Ambulance as a volunteer (which didn't happen in the end), and that was never brought up at interview - instead, I mentioned two key work experience placements I had - at Hammersmith hospital in London, on various wards for a week, and at a Physiotherapist's in France. *At a 'practice interview' organised through the Villiers Park Scholars programme (more about that later) my interviewer said one of the most useful skills is to draw experiences into answers for question, even when they're not specifically asked for - it shows linking skills. E.g. 'What's your opinion of euthanasia?' 'Well, I used to think XYZ and then I read an article in [RESPECTED JOURNAL] which said this. However, at the hospice I volunteer at, I have seen patients in pain, who may see euthanasia as a valid option.' Cue 'oh-you-work-in-a-hospice' type question. Obviously, very few people are multilingual xenophiles with the abilty to arrange something like that, but plenty of oppertunities exist to do such things. And if you can build from there with a specific example of a case you saw and its implications, or of what skills you developed, practiced and saw at play, then you have ammunition at your interview to really stand out, and talk about what they want to hear - Knowledge, both of the job and academic; Communication and teamwork skills; and the ability to ethically reason.
If you get even a day-or-so in your local hospital, you can word it to sell yourself - instead of stating what you did and a brief description of what you learnt from it, use strong, bold words to vividly describe a case, and do your backup research behind your case. At all three interviews, I was asked about my placement on a Haemotology ward, in particular with Sickle-cell Anaemiacs. Alongside learning all the things you need to know (not just about sickling, but of how it leads to crises, what they mean, and what they can lead to in various areas), look into other related issues - is that patient actually in pain, or is he saying so as a result of addiction to the Diamorphine he has been prescribed before as an analgesic? (Diamorphine is more commonly known as Heroin). How would you deal with that if you were the doctor in that position? *Another tip was that interviewers aren't looking for your knowledge - that's what you're coming to learn - they want to understand your reasoning, logic and moral principles.
Alongside work experience, mention a good few activities that also contribute aspects to your character, showing you as a more diverse character. Do you play rugby, and as such engage in teamwork there? Have you won awards in sport, and how? Are you a youth organisation member, and what do you do as such in said organisation, that is relevant? Even mentioning something you do to relieve stress (whether that be music, sport, art) is useful, as one of the key questions in interview is "How do you deal with stress?". Again, in every interview I went to I was asked as to my role in the CCF unit I'm in - though even that will need quantifying in terms of medicine. In my case, instead of focusing on shooting things (as I often do!) or flying or causing havoc, think of:
The massive amount of teamwork and organisation needed in your role, which can be from the co-operation, understanding of command and of CAKE (I'll explain the Cake later) as a first-year recruit; the leading and planning needed as a section commander; right up to the massive amounts of organisation, planning and consideration with regards to resources, your superiors and subordinates, and the welfare of nearly 100 cadets in your charge as a unit SNCO.
If you haven't started already, and are in Year 12, now's the time to jump to it - you've got little time left! Even if you take up a sport or activity now, you can still discuss it in detail enough to not need to mention the little time you've spent on it. The summer has many opportunities for work experience, so grab them with both hands now - it takes a long time to plan such things, and much advance warning is needed!
> Finally, ensure that you don't get so caught up in things that you make amateur mistakes. If you put down your 5th choice at the same university as one of your medicine choices, it's not going to go well with the medicine course. Unless it's Imperial or UCL, chances are that you'll get the 5th choice no problem, yet at the cost of you losing your medicine choice. Remember that the universities can see everything you applied for that concerns them - so applying to Bristol for Medicine and Virology (as I did) will mean that they know that is exactly the case, and whilst receiving you with both arms for the latter, will reject you without even the courtesy of an interview for the former. When it comes to interview, don't do what I did at Leicester and manage to go off at a tangent about something, and completely forgetting to supress a couple of my mannerisms (Shannon, you can remember the beautiful presentation we gave on Parkinson's disease at Villier's park... when one of the interviewers turns away because she's giggling, it's not a good sign!). *To fully appreciate this you need to have seen Tom in full lecture-mode; it was inspiring to say the least...
I hope that helps somewhat. Whilst I know you're applying for a second run, and that things are slightly different in terms of the considerations that you'll have to make (different universities in some cases, why you think you didn't get in and what you've learnt, and what you actually did on your Gap Year), many of the points above still stand. And at the end of the day, don't let the system get you down. Remember the three most crucial things in life:
> Happiness - You only live once, so don't spend all your time fretting - get out there and enjoy yourself!
> Cake - It tastes nice, but in a military sense has a completely different meaning:
- Concurrent Activity: The ladies are at an instant advantage here *<-THIS IS A LIE, but if you always plan to multi-task, then things will get done so much faster, leaving you with time to relax and be happy.
- Anticipation: Be prepared for any eventuality, with a contingency in store and ready to be deployed quickly should it be necessary. Expect that you will have to do something, and be ready for it, instead of living in a world of apathy and procrastination.
- Knowledge of the system: Whilst you don't need to know what the role of your direct superior is, you still need to know how things work, rather than expecting it just to work for you - and anticipate that you may have to use that understanding!
- Efficient drills: Work professionally, and in the same manner that suits you every time. Have set times planned for a routine of work, and planned relaxation, and make sure you carry out your work in such a way that things aren't done poorly or in a time-wasting manner.
Applied to life, you'd be surprised how much time it saves, leaving you to do the good things.
> Tea - No, not another acronym, but if you prefer coffee, it's fine. Don't work yourself out and burn out - relax. Get as much sleep as is enough to keep you alert in the mornings, exercise to invigorate your mind (it really does!) and relieve tension, and sit down with a nice cuppa when you get home before getting on to work (the mere act of making a cup of coffee or tea slows you down and relaxes you before work, and the caffeine within helps you stay focuses and active, kicking in at just about the time you start work, and lasting right up until you should have a break - and have another cuppa!)
I realise I have a habit of rambling, but I encourage you to at least take away a few of the key points there. Hopefully, it will leave you better set up for medical school entry and a future in medicine, or if not that then just life in general!
Best of luck in your coming year, and in your application to medschool next year! Pay me a visit at UCL sometime, touching wood of course!
Tom
My reply
(Probably a little anti-climactic after that, but I thought it might be useful to read things that I'm likely to forget to ever write on here...)
Hi Tom!
Thanks for that - you're a very good writer as well as an excellent scientist/public speaker/amateur philosopher!
I think you've got some really, really valid points there; the University research being key. It sounds like an obvious thing to do, but there is more than one way to research a University - last year I chose my options based on Uni's I felt fulfilled my (somewhat arbitary) criteria, were recommended or I simply had an affinity towards, and I think this really bruised my chances of getting in.
My first interview was at Peninsula Medical School - which I applied to because my lecturers claimed that 'nearly everyone gets in'. Pre-interview, candidates are asked to fill in a questionnaire, one of the questions being 'why do you want to come to PMS?'. I think the fact I couldn't answer that truthfully wasn't a brilliant start.
Although I felt well-prepared for the interview, in hindsight I think I'd only prepared on questions that I hoped would come up, rather than interview technique in general. For example, I answered the key question 'how do you deal with stress' with so much waffle and elementary grade insight I wasn't hugely surprised when it was flagged up to me in my interview feedback. Another question I should have better prepared for was regarding teamwork: apparently I focused on leadership and heirarchy, rather than teamwork itself. To me, this just highlights how being underprepared and desperate to make a good impression can leave you talking crap on a tangent.
Oxford was simply hideous. The interviews went mostly well, apart from one (tip: don't crack jokes, apparently Oxford tutors don't ever laugh...) but I really REALLY disliked the University. It's odd; I've visited Oxford so many times and loved the University buildings etc. but when you're actually there it just feels elitist, pompous and unnecessary. Coupled with the fact that my fellow interviewees (apart from a few lovely people, I must say) were complete oddballs I came away hoping that Oxford wouldn't accept me. It sounds stupid but it's true.
I was rejected from Keele pre-interview; in the email they explained that they were only able to interview 10% of candidates, and offer 5% a place. I was not at all surprised to be rejected.
And to Bristol; they STILL haven't replied to me - apart from an email mid-March saying 'we'll be in touch soon'. So I don't have a huge amount to say about them.
Overall I don't think my application was bad at all; I just think for me, it was difficult to stand out. Unfortunatly my GCSE's didn't comprise of 11/12 A*s which is much more common than I ever though possible. My statement was strong but I don't think it reflected enough of me: my reasons for wanting to study Medicine sound weak in comparison to how I would write them now, and my increased voluntary work means I have much more to say now. Plus the extra curricular work I've done between last October and now.
I think hindsight is a wonderful thing, and although I'm disappointed that I wasn't succesful this year, I'm beginning to look forward to taking a year out and strengthening my application further, hopefully finding ways to make it truly sparkle for October.
Of course, huge congratulations to you Tom! I think you'll make a wonderful doctor and I'm sure you'll do fabulously well at University. After experiencing a few lectures with you at Villiers Park I'm not sure how much I would want to be in your tutor group; you'd show everybody up! Although I've never met somebody I can debate with as hotly as you.
Please keep in touch; I'd love to hear all about your first year, and I'm sure you'll have some pearls of wisdom for me next summer!
Take care,
Shannon
Tom
Hi Shannon
I would most definately agree with you about Oxford, and Cambridge! The place looks lovely, and the selling points are absolutely excellent, alongside Cambridge being the best university in the country for medical research (one of the key points I found very enticing). However, looking at the medical course, it isn't that great for what one wants to do. There's the intercalated year, which is something that I would love to do (Neuroscience or Genetic Engineering BSc, and my life would be complete!), but the actual body of the course is very segmented. Clinical contact with patients doesn't really begin until the 4th year, which is no good if you want to try and relate that which is learnt in the classroom with that as it would have to be applied. I would prefer five years of practising taking blood than three years, and five years of actually interacting with patients and generally being able to see exactly how what I'm learning is going to be relevant. That, and as you said the people the university attracts are often quite eccentric or the best-of-the-best-of-the-best!
In terms of the GCSEs, don't be too disheartened - in fact, if you only get about 4-5 A*s, then there are only three or four universities that will take that against you. I only got 6, with 2 Cs mixed in to the final results (argh!), but the majority of universities will either look at another entrance exam, or look at your predictions and reference. Of course, if you get an unhealthy amount of A*s at GCSE then you can rely on Birmingham to pick you up for an interview, which is always a useful tactic to use.
Which leads me on to the admissions exams... and crikey they do throw some people up. The UKCAT isn't something you can really revise for, but it really does pay if you practice beforehand. There aren't that many UKCAT universities I can think of off the top of my head, barring Leicester, but good marks do make a difference. I suspect my Leicester interview was as a result of getting a very good result in UKCAT (775 average score, with 880 as highest and 620 as lowest), so it is something to consider. No need to practice thousands of tests, but to just go in with a clear mind, get it sorted, and MAKE SURE YOU ASK FOR A CALCULATOR! (I wasn't given one... though I suppose that doesn't matter too much). That, and be careful when answering the Psychometric questions, so as not to get caught in the trap of crossing yourself.
BMAT is a different kettle of fish altogether. Again, I didn't really find it's something I could revise for, though many people definitely can and should - I was working on instinct and intuition throughout the paper, barring the essay. The essay is the most important part in my opinion as I was questioned on it - so after the exam, make sure you write down the key points you made, so that when it comes to interview you've already researched that question more, and can turn around and say "I would have changed this, and augmented my opinion as such". And when choosing the questions, go for one that isn't necessarily the easiest to answer, but the one which you find you have a strong opinion on.
Alas, hindsight as you said is a wonderful thing - though as many a wise person would say, it is from the lessons history that we try to avoid repeating mistakes. But, positive attitude, tea and cake, and we're sorted!
Again, best of regards - I'm again touching wood in saying I'll get into medschool next year, and if all goes well might be having a few deep debates in a London café as you start your first year there!
Tom